In this episode, an ex-client Marie is telling us about the "perfect weekly meeting" that she developed during our time coaching together. She uses this to set the tone for her week and it's really changed how she feels and how she gets stuff done. It's so much more than a to-do list, and instead really gets to the core of how to start a week with intention. Hope you find it useful!
Vikki: Hello and welcome to the PhD Life Coach. This is episode seven of season two, and I am super excited because not only do we have a guest with us today, we have a guest who was a client.
This is the first time that any of my clients have come on the podcast. But Marie, my guest today, was an amazing client and came up with some stuff that I hadn't really anticipated her doing and I thought it was so useful that I invited her to be with us here today. So hi, Marie. Thank you for agreeing to come on.
Marie: Hi, and thank you for giving me the opportunity. It's been it's been quite the journey. I've really enjoyed listening to your podcast for the last year. And it was great to be able to receive some real life coaching from you this summer. So thank you.
Vikki: No problem. It was fun. Can you just introduce yourself a little bit and maybe explain why you came forward for coaching in the first place?
Marie: Yeah, sure. My name is Marie and I've just started my third year of my PhD and I'm working on art and religion in 18th century France. I initially reached out to you this summer for coaching because I'd set myself some really ambitious deadlines and targets and it was a case of getting some coaching and finding out what was preventing me getting some of the work done. I was conscious of not losing interest or letting my energy dip too much over the summer as well.
Those are quite superficial reasons. Lots of different things actually came out when we started coaching, which was interesting, but that's initially why I reached out to you.
Vikki: And that often happens with coaching. People come for one particular problem that they've spotted, and then they find other things along the way. And that's completely normal. And from my perspective, your consult was a no brainer. So I always have half hours Zoom call completely free, where we just chat about what it is that you're hoping to get out of coaching. And some people assume they're going to be sales calls where I'm trying to persuade people to work with me. But for me, they're really a time where I get to get to know you a little bit, get to know what the issues are and to work out whether it is stuff that falls within my expertise and what I do as a coach. Because I coach everybody from PhD students through to full professors. And one of the things I have to be really mindful of with PhD students is that I'm not here to be a supervisor. So on that consult, one of the things that I try to be really clear with people on is the difference between a coach and what a coach will support you with and a supervisor and what a supervisor will help you with. And what I loved about our conversation was that you were very clear on that too.
Marie: Yeah, so for me, it felt like I had all the building blocks to produce a good PhD or at least enjoy the journey. I've got a good relationship with my supervisors and I have some great material and I'm really interested in the field and in my topic but it felt like I just needed a steer on how to focus so that I could really make some measurable progress on the PhD. So how can I be efficient and make the best use of these things to push me forward?
Vikki: And that's exactly the stuff that's great to coach on is where you're almost getting in your own way that you're like, I should be able to do this. I've got all the things that I need, but for some reason, I'm either not getting on, or I'm worried that I won't be able to do enough quick enough and all of those things.
So today I really wanted to focus on this tool that you developed, because one of the things that we started talking about was how you were deciding what you were going to do each week and how you were going to stick to that and know that you had stuck to it and all of those things.
Marie: Yeah, so I think for context, I think it's important to note that I didn't go into the PhD straight from having done a master's. I'd had a big break between the master's degree and the PhD, about six or seven years in the end and in that time, I had really developed in my career predominantly in the museum sector and had worked in lots of big and diverse teams. So I think there was like a period of transition that was still happening. It was had been very used to working in dynamic and big teams with lots of weekly and monthly check ins and that thing to, to moving into the PhD, which was, let's face it, it's quite, isolating work, unless you're working on a big science project and you're in the lab every day. In the arts and humanities, it's often work that you're doing on a, solo basis in libraries or in your office. So I, I just felt that I needed something at the beginning of the week to make me feel energized and make me feel like I was focused about what I wanted to achieve for that week or that day. But doing that on your own is a really hard thing, whilst when I was working in various departments in my previous career, it was a very natural thing to do.
You're in a room and somebody's leading that meeting, and everybody's contributing and I was lacking that. And so we hit on something during our coaching sessions where it was, okay, well, how could I recreate that feeling of being in a weekly meeting with dynamic and energizing colleagues who based on my experience, don't all think the same way and don't all agree on everything.
And there's, often a voice that might come up with some problems. There's often a voice that's incredibly optimistic that's focusing on the positive things, and you've got the leader who's trying to chair all this. So I basically conceived this weekly meeting with myself. It was a fake scenario where I promised myself, on Monday mornings, I'd make myself a nice coffee and I would have, before opening emails or tackling any PhD work, I'd sit there for an hour and think about what this weekly meeting would look like. And we developed some prompt questions, which were very similar to the kinds of questions that would come up in my previous career. And I tweaked them to be more relatable to the PhD. And I just thought, well, let's try this.
So I did a couple of weeks of having these fake weekly meetings with myself. And I think the important point to remember, which comes up a lot in your podcast, Vikki, is about how, as PhD students, we're both the employees who are doing the hard graft of research, but we're also the bosses.
We're the CEOs who are directing the research and who are identifying the tasks and the milestones and all the rest of it. So we're both these people. And so I had to embody both those people with my weekly meetings.
Vikki: I love it. And we'll go into the details in a second so that people can understand a little bit more about the prompt questions that you use but first I wanted to pick up on you talked about wanting it to be dynamic and energizing.
And I think this is so important because people listening to this might be like, Well, I sit down on a Monday and decide what I'm doing for the week. There's no rocket science there, but I think what you were doing differently was this wasn't a period where you were just writing a to do list and deciding what you were doing each week, you were setting an energetic tone for the week.
Marie: It felt important because it gave me a sense of direction and forward momentum. I think for me, a PhD can feel a bit groundhog day, it's solitary and it can feel like the same thing every week. You're chipping away at this really big project. And so instead of letting the PhD direct my energy, how do I set the tone for how I want to do this. Right? Because we all need to do it. We need to do the PhD, but it's like, how do we want to do it is up to us, right? I have much more control over that in terms of, do I want to do it and it feels like toil and blood and sweat and tears?
Well, that's fine. If that's your vibe. Cool. For me, it was very, very much like I want it to be a joyful experience. I want it to be challenging, but also like energizing. And those are the kinds of feelings that I had in my career prior to doing a PhD, which allowed me to grow, I guess, and rise up to those challenges, but also enjoy the moments where things feel like they're flowing and you're competent and confident.
Vikki: I love it. And so a couple of things came out of that for me. So in a recent podcast episode, I taught people about the self coaching model and one of the things I think gets massively overlooked in academia is how much our emotions drive our actions. You won't find an academic who doesn't have a to do list in some form or other. That's all on the action line, what things I need to do. You will find very few academics who think, how do I need to feel in order to do these tasks this week, and to do them in a way that feels good. And so what I love is how you took it one step back up the self coaching model, as it were, to say, okay, I'm going to start my week working out what do I need to think this week so that I can feel the feelings that I want to feel, and therefore do the tasks that I want to do.
And then the other part that I love, and this is something that I encourage everybody listening to think about, is how you went back to past experiences to figure out how you wanted to feel. Because you went back to your previous jobs and thought about when was a time where I felt really good in my work and found it easy to get on with the things that I needed to do and then took yourself back from that. Okay, so what was I thinking? What was I feeling and how can I reenact that now? And that's something I'd really encourage everyone to do.
So even PhD students who've come straight through undergrad, masters into their PhD will have had times in their life, whether it's during their study, whether it's in part time jobs or it's in hobbies or whatever, where things felt good and felt easy. And I think seeing how we can translate that and recreate that into our PhD worlds is a really good way of self managing.
Marie: Yeah, I fabricated this scenario that actually was familiar to me, right? So my previous jobs, the weekly meeting with the team was a very familiar thing. And something I really looked forward to. Some people hated it, but for me, it was very much like, okay, great. We are all working towards a common goal. We are aware of everybody's commitments and projects, but we're also looking back to the previous week and thinking about the things that really went well for us. We're also anticipating the problems that might be popping up this week and next.
And I suddenly, in our conversations, it was like, why don't I just apply that to the PhD? Isn't that exactly the same thing? You have to celebrate your successes, however big or small, but you have to also anticipate the problems that might crop up. So essentially I just opened up a Word document, called it Perfect Weekly Meeting, and I will do this on a Monday, in the morning, over coffee, and I save the documents each week. And it's been really nice to go back through the documents too and see what I wrote and reflect on those things to see how I progressed or the things that were memorable or not.
So I think about what went well for me the previous week. So that's a really an easy one, but it's something we take for granted and we often forget, right? So I actually open up my Outlook calendar. Lots of people have paper diaries, whatever works for you.
And I go, Oh yeah, I forgot that I had that meeting last week and it actually went really well. Or I had coffee with a friend and we talked about our projects or I finally got around to reading that article. So it can be big or small, but that's the first thing, what went well for me last week.
And the second part of that question is what was I thinking that enabled that to happen? Instead of going, Oh, this great thing happened to me. And that's great. We're celebrating it. It's more like, well, I played a part in making that a successful thing or a positive thing, right? So what was I thinking that enabled that to happen?
So getting around to reading that article that I've been meaning to read for ages and I finally did it, it's like, what was I thinking? Well, I was thinking a lot of things around overcoming the procrastination, thinking about how helpful reading that particular article would be for unlocking a future idea, that thing.
Vikki: This is something that so gets overlooked because... If you Google like, weekly reflective questions or something like that, you will always find what went well last week. And I agree with you entirely. It's something that does get overlooked. We take things for granted. We focus on what we haven't done yet. So that is important.
But what you will rarely find is this second question that you ask, is how did I get that done? What was I thinking in order for that to happen? And that's really important, partly so that we can recreate thoughts that helped us to get things done that were difficult if, on reflection, they were useful. So you talked about an article that maybe you were putting off reading, and you read it. Now, if you looked back on what you were thinking to get that done, was, my supervisor's going to hate me if I don't read this, then you might learn from that.
Actually, that got it done. But it didn't feel good. So how do I want to think in the future so I can get these things done without having to have punitive thoughts about what somebody else will think, or if you look back and you go, you know what, how I got it done was reminding myself that I'm actually interested in this paper, you know, is actually, you know, I've been putting off reading it, but actually I chose this topic and it's actually really interesting. And I reminded myself of that, at the time it was to read it. Then you can go, Oh, okay. And I can use that again this week.
Marie: Yeah. So what went well last week, what was I thinking that enabled this particular thing to happen? The next part is what didn't go so well last week. You know, why might that be? What were the blockers and how can I move past them?
So again, you can do your list of bullet points of , oh, well I didn't submit this thing on time, or I lost my bus pass and that was a nightmare. Or I had a day where I completely procrastinated and didn't achieve anything. So what didn't go so well last week?
The list can can go on and on, but I think it's important to just focus on one thing when you look back in your diary and think, okay, well, let's explore that. You know, why might that be? So if I take one day last week where I probably only worked for about three hours and it felt hard and it was a struggle and it's like, okay, well, why might that be?
And looking back, I had worked quite hard prior to that day. I actually felt really tired and my energy levels were really low and it felt like I had done quite a lot of meaty reading and writing and thinking. And so it was completely understandable that midweek, I hit a bit of a slump, right?
And remaining compassionate, I think is important for this particular part of the exercise. And thinking about my blockers, well, I mean, over time I have to say that what didn't go well, so well last week becomes smaller and smaller and less significant as I've gone on with this exercise, because essentially in real time, I'm already recognizing why things might be difficult or why I'm not completing that thing and I'm staying compassionate and choosing an alternative way of approaching that particular situation, whether it's reprioritizing my tasks or doing something completely different and allowing myself to have a break so that I can recoup and rest and come back with the right , clear mind and energy to tackle the next piece of work, reach out to a friend because actually I've been working for four days in the library on my own and I haven't actually spoken to another person.
And actually I've realized connections are really important in my life. So so that, that section actually over time solves itself, which is really interesting. And so that section gets smaller and I moved past it much more quickly.
So what am I looking forward to this week and next week? what are my movements and my appointments? So this is a nice planning one, and I love planning. I'm an ex event planner, so this is a really lovely one.
And it is your to do list, but it's bigger picture stuff, right? It's looking at your diary and going. Yeah, okay. I've got three days where I haven't got lots of annoying appointments and errands and things to do. So actually these three days are going to be really nice to get lost in the reading, maybe tackle some writing, do some deep research.
Or it's a, a case of looking at the week and seeing that you have far too much concentrated appointments on one particular day. And so you have to make a decision there and say either I honor all of these appointments and various things I need to do and research doesn't get done that day has to be moved to a different day or are some of these appointments absolutely essential for me.
Right. And can I move or cancel them? So this is a really nice one so that you don't let the week overwhelm you. You're in control. You're setting the tone for the week and you are in control of what's happening. I appreciate that some things are out of your control, right? You might have school drop offs and school pick ups and stuff.
And those things have to be honoured. Great. But around that, you know, you set the tone for what you can achieve and what works for you.
Vikki: What I love with that is you can iterate between questions. So if you've been regularly answering the question, what didn't go so well last week and why was that from that compassionate place that you mentioned, then if you can start spotting patterns, like actually when I've had a big day of meetings, I sometimes feel a bit fatigued the next day..
So sometimes we have a tendency that if we've had a big day of meetings where we haven't done any research in inverted commas, then the next day, right. I really have to do all my writing because I didn't do anything yesterday. And now I really, really have to. But then you can start to plan for that and start saying, okay. This is how I'm going to feel tomorrow, probably, or on that day, so what do I do with that? How do I make sure that I meet my needs? How do I make sure that it feels like something that I want to do, that I'm capable of doing, and I feel supported, rather than being like, well, I'm just going to have to do it, and then beating yourself up when you don't.
Because one of the worst positions to be in is to decide to do something when you know you're going to be tired or when you suspect you're going to be tired, then not doing it, and then you've neither rested nor done the thing because all you're doing is beating yourself up.
And it's also a helpful way of just going, Oh yeah, like family are coming down this weekend. And so that means that I have to be okay with the fact that research isn't going to happen whilst I'm hosting.
But even within that, because when we're looking ahead like this and knowing ourselves and being honest about ourselves and being compassionate to ourselves and our needs. We get to think like that, don't we, we get to think, okay, this isn't an all or nothing situation.
This isn't either I have the perfect research day, or I don't because my cousins here, and often when we decide on the fly, so we realize on the Wednesday that oh gosh I've got somebody coming to stay tonight and I'm not going to get any work done, we often do make those all or nothing, oh well I won't be able to do anything then, and just that's it.
Whereas if we can think about it a little bit further ahead and actually think about it with our, Best supervisor brain on where we're being really good boss to ourselves. We can say, okay, yeah, your cousin's coming that day, but she's actually not coming until one. So, and you will need some time to get the house ready and things like that.
But actually we probably could do a couple of hours first thing, just to keep the ball moving, just to get that thing off to your supervisor so it can be on their desk instead of yours. And when we're thinking about it this little bit further in advance, you've got the brain space to think like that and to think, is there any way I can do all, or do I actually just want to take the full day off?
But enjoy that and luxuriate in the fact that I'm having a whole day off. And if I hear myself saying, you know, Oh, I'm not doing any research today, maybe I should be able to be like, no, but we decided this is the plan. Not doing work today is the plan. We picked this.
Marie: Yeah. This whole exercise has completely changed my way of approaching the PhD instead of being reactive all the time to what like needs to happen and the next thing and the emails and the writing and feeling quite fragmented and scattered about everything it's actually, I'm creating a moment of stillness on a Monday morning, and I'm directing the tone for the week.
The next one is a really powerful one for me because I think it's I can be a little bit of a blind optimist but is there anything I'm worried about this week? You know, what can I do to make that less of a worry and what do I need from me this week? You know, it might be basic needs, like I need some exercise or I need to make sure that, you know, the fridge is fully stocked. So this one is the vulnerable bit, right, the bit where you're at your most vulnerable and being quite as honest, emotionally honest as you can really but it's like I'm worried about, you know, the fact that I've got a supervision at the end of the week and I have submitted what I thought was suitable work, but I'm obviously anxious about how that conversation might go and so, you know, this is where you can let all those unhelpful narratives play out. But it's good getting done on paper because I think then they're out there and they're not creating a lot of internal conflict.
The essential part of the question, I guess, is, you know, what can I do to make that less of a worry?
And it's the, this is the cognitive behavior part, right? Which is where, okay, well, let's be logical about this. It's totally normal to be nervous about your supervision. This isn't unfamiliar to you. You have a supervision every month, but it's always that time when you're checking in with people who are much further ahead in their career than you.
Their job is to highlight things that need work. And so it's an uncertain thing. It's an unknown and the unknown makes us feel slightly unsafe and unsteady, right? But what can I do to make that less of a worry? Well, already that narrative is making the idea of having a supervision less of a worry for me, but it's also, well, what can I do?
I think for me what's useful is like, I can a meditate so I can quiet my mind and create moments stillness, but I could also you know, remind myself of all the work I have done and remind myself of the tough research questions I'm developing and grappling with and those things allow me to elevate how I feel rather than bring myself down. It's about being more compassionate and positive about where we're at with things. Whilst being honest, right? Don't use this as an opportunity to start like beating yourself up about things that you haven't done or whatever.
Vikki: There is so much I love in everything that you just said. And I think the first thing I wanted to really highlight was how, when you were talking about identifying what you're worried about, you really took what we call a compassion first approach, which is sometimes when people identify what they're worried about in advance, they immediately jumped to wanting to fix it.
They immediately jumped to wanting to argue with their brain about why it's not actually something that they should be worried about and reassure themselves of all these things. And that's, you know, those things can be useful cognitive practices and we get to those, but it's really important to start with compassion and to start with validating yourself.
And this is true with anybody. So I'm just starting developing some supervisor training, which I'm super excited about. And one of the things that I'm going to be talking with supervisors about is starting from validating what the student is saying because supervisors who are trying to be nice, which is most supervisors, often say things like, Oh no, no, you don't need to worry about that.
It's going to be fine. Don't worry about that. Which whilst it's really well intended, sometimes gives that message that you're wrong to be worried. And therefore that's quite easy to internalize and be like, Oh my God, if I shouldn't be worried, then maybe I'm just not good at this. Cause if I was good at it, I wouldn't be worried because they say I shouldn't be worried.
Whereas, whether you're talking to yourself or whether you're a supervisor talking to your student, if you can start from, I get it. I, yeah, I understand. It sounds like you've got a lot of thoughts going on about this. It's understandable. It's something you haven't done before.
It's something that's been difficult for you before. It's okay that you're worried . We maybe don't have to worry as much as we are, but it's okay that that's where you're at at the moment. And if we can start from there, start from validating it, then you're not immediately telling yourself that you're wrong.
And you're instead asking, okay, I can see you're worried. It's okay that you're worried. So what do you need right now? What's gonna help that? And sometimes what you do need is a little untangling of some of the thoughts, because sometimes the reason we're nervous is because we've told ourselves that our supervisor hates us, or we've told ourselves that they're gonna think I'm an idiot and they're gonna kick me out because I haven't done this.
Other times, it's just a bit of love and care. Just like, this is gonna be something that's stressful for you, so we're gonna be really nice to you this week. We're gonna make sure that you feel prepared for it and all of those things.
Marie: And then just breaking it down into much more of like a to do list. It's, you know, what one meaty task do I need to accomplish this week? And what one mundane task do I need to accomplish? So one meaty and one mundane task to accomplish this week. So it could be the meaty task is often a writing task of some kind. Some people find writing easy. I definitely don't. So that takes a lot of, you know, hard intellectual work. And then the mundane task might be, you know, updating your spreadsheets.
So yeah, and then the last one, because remembering that team members are important to me, or they have been very important to me in my previous jobs, this part Allows me to connect with people in the week if I need to, right, so it's which team members do I need to call on and who do I need to set up a call with.
So, are there colleagues whose conversation and company I really enjoy or is it a case of actually I really need another check in with my supervisors because I just want to get some clarity on something. Or friends it can be like non PhD related people right I mean they exist too, remember. Actually, there's, you know, a really close friend of mine who I just haven't seen for weeks on end because I've been in this writing hole, and I really enjoy going shopping with them so actually could I find a way to spend an hour in the shopping center with them and have a coffee. And so that, that meets my need for connection, which I think is important.
Vikki: The other part of what you said that I loved was this notion of a team, because often people doing a PhD feel really isolated, and even when we have really good relationships with our supervisors, we don't necessarily conceptualize that as a team. And I love the idea that every PhD student has a team around them, and that comprise, you know, it's their supervisors, yes, it might be other students that are doing a similar program to them.
It might be friends and family, because like you say, it's important to have team outside of academia, it might be if your university provides coaching it might be somebody like me it might be people who are at the library or the archives or the lab technicians or whoever it is. I love this idea of thinking, not, not even just thinking, what am I going to do with them this week, but just actually saying, you know, I have a team, even if I'm not going to check in with any of them.
Marie: I am going to sound like a mad woman about identifying people who might not look like team members, but who are in fact team members who are helping you push forward with the PhD.
So I, since beginning this exercise, I realized that in my local library, the library manager, a man named Darius. Very, very, very lovely charismatic individual who's always there on a Monday and who over time sees me working in the library and over time has become, we've chatted to one another, you know, touch base on a Monday, hello, hi, how's it going, how was your weekend? And he doesn't realize this, but he's become my like fake boss, I guess, in a weird way. It's like, he's the person I show up to on a Monday, check in with. He always asks me how my weekend's been what I'm working on this week.
He knows I'm doing a PhD and so Darius has become a part of my team, right? He's somebody that I check in with and who's interested in what I'm working on. And he's also a really kind person and has made me realize, like, this is what an ideal boss would be like. So yeah, the team, it's interesting to identify who these team members might be, right, because they're found in the unlikeliest places. So yeah, Darius, the library manager in my local library.
Vikki: Shout out Darius I love that. Anyway, why don't you give us a recap of the questions that you, you go through on your weekly meeting.
Marie: Yeah, so I start with what went well last week and what was I thinking that enabled that to happen. Then I move on to what didn't go so well last week and why might that be and what were my blockers and how can I move past them? Then I look forward to what's happening this week. What are my movements and my appointments? Then I move on to, is there anything I'm worried about? And what do I need from me to make that less of a worry? Have I got one meaty task that I need to accomplish today? Yes, always. So what's that task?
And then think about a mundane task that I need to accomplish. So this is helpful in the sense that if I don't crack on with the meaty task and I need a bit of a rest, then the mundane task comes in at that point. And it's at least helps me to feel like I'm still working on something to do with a PhD rather than stopping completely.
And then I think about which team members do I need to call on? Who do I need a call with? So that's just to make sure that there's some connection with others in built into the week.
Vikki: I do also want to mention, the questions that Marie uses aren't necessarily the questions that you should use.
You will work out what works for you, but I remember initially you had one that was something to do with, why am I doing this? I was wondering whether you wanted to say a little bit about why that was important then and how it got iterated out.
Marie: I think it's something that will come back in actually, but initially it was Why am I doing this? You know, what am I doing? Why am I doing it? And it can be as simple as I'm doing a PhD on this particular thing. The next bit is why am I doing it? Right? Why am I doing it? Because it's something I want to do because I'm funded to do it, because I feel like it's important. And you craft that answer as you go through the weeks and they become more or less philosophical or much more superficial, whatever's happening.
It just, it's quite a repetitive exercise to remind yourself of like, why am I here? What am I actually doing? That got iterated out because I did quite a lot of that over the summer and the answer felt very concrete and embedded.
And it felt like I wasn't coming up with new answers to that question each week. Right. So I took it out of the document. But as my project is developing, and as I'm working on other avenues of research, and the research question becomes a little bit more complicated, or it goes into a different direction or takes on a different quality, I think then I will reintroduce that question back in.
Vikki: Yeah, and I think that's a really important one, especially for those of you who would be starting out doing this stuff is, thinking about why you're doing it, because quite often we can get caught up in the, Oh my God, I'm not good enough.
So I need to do this. I haven't done this. I don't know. We forget that not that long ago, doing a PhD was our dream. This was what you were working so hard to get to. And we forget some of that stuff. And so really going back to why did I decide to do this but also why is what I'm doing important? And for some people, it might be honoring the artists of the past in the research you do.
In other people's, it might be about end users who are going to use the particular thing you're developing or whatever. So remembering some of those whys can be really important. And I love the fact that you iterate it out at the point where it felt really concrete for you. I would encourage people not to iterate it out just because it feels repetitive, because sometimes the repetition is what keeps it at the front of our head. I think you did it for long enough that it stayed at the front of your head without needing to do that.
One thing you can do from here, we can iterate out into a monthly review that's maybe a little more extensive than this meeting. And that's something I've been doing some work on recently. And so that may be something that then gets shunted to a monthly check in instead of an every week check in.
I also wanted to finish with a confession. One of the other reasons, Marie knows this, one of the other reasons why I wanted Marie to come on and do this, is that I've always thought that these Monday morning, I hadn't really seen it conceptualized exactly the way Marie has done it, but this Monday morning setting of tasks and intentions, all those things was a really good idea and something that I would benefit from. It is also something that I have really struggled to stick to over the time, whereas it was something that you decided you were going to do and did, which I often find miraculous when people just decide they're going to do something and do it. I'm going to explain how I'm managing it in my life in a second, but for you, what do you think it was that made it something for you that you decided you were going to do and you just did?
Marie: That's a really good question. I think it was reminding myself that when I start and finish something, it feels good. And monday mornings can be hard for all of us. And I think if I intentionally complete this first bit of the day, you know, go through the questions methodically. And sometimes I'm like still waking up and I'm you know, it's early and I'm thinking, Oh, do I really want to get in my feelings and think about why I'm doing this?
Or, you know, really, but it's like, actually when I complete that often, you know, I say I set aside an hour, really it takes me 20 minutes no more. I've, you know, it's like one piece of work completed and it just sets the tone for the next thing, right? It just feels like, well, already I've achieved something for the day and I remind myself of that feeling.
Vikki: So the things I'm seeing there, you're reminding yourself why it's important. After you've done it, you're reinforcing to yourself how much better you feel because of doing it and you keep it relatively simple. So I know one of the things that has tripped me up in the past is just making these things too complicated, having too many questions, and then I do it once enthusiastically and then I never do it again.
But I also want to say to other listeners, if you're thinking, you know, yeah, that's a nice idea, but I can't see how I'll stick to it. It's okay to put scaffolding around yourself as well. So what I've started doing, inspired by this stuff that you've done, is I've started going to see my sister on a Monday morning. And I tell her about what I did last week, what's going on in the business and what I'm planning for the next week and so it's very similar. We don't have quite as structured questions as you have, but it's a similar check in moment. So far, touch wood, it's really worked. And knowing that somebody else is involved really helps me. And there was a time when I would've beaten myself up about that, that I need, you know, I'm a baby who needs to be supervised or I don't do things whereas now I'm like, no, I just know myself. And I know that actually for me, I don't need so much a moment of stillness as a moment of enthusiasm. So I'm somebody who vibes off that bouncing with somebody else thing. And I have somebody in place that is willing to do that with me. And so at the moment, that's how I'm doing it and it's really working. So I'd really encourage anybody listening to think about how can you make something like this work for you and who you actually are, not who you wish you were, just who you are right now. So that you can benefit from this, but in a way that's bespoke for you too.
Marie: It's really interesting that you said that Vikki because I actually, over time, expanded the weekly meeting model by bringing in a couple of colleagues on Friday afternoon.
So as we wrap up the week we jump on a Zoom chat that's only half an hour long. So it's really short and sweet, but it's like we well, it gives me that sense of connection for a start. But the second thing is we review our week with each other. We focus on three things, which is what went well for us this week, what didn't go so well, and what problems are we facing, that we can basically communicate and articulate to one another, because several brains are better than one, right? So we might say, okay, well in five minutes, why don't you try and articulate what that paper might be about? And that will help them to kind move more quickly about getting that down on paper. So we, yeah, so weirdly, I expanded this in a very informal way, but we do like a Friday, we call it Friday Reflections.
Vikki: I love that. And I love that it also gets into the disciplinary stuff. It's not just a reflecting on how your self management went, but it's actually, this is the academic issue that I'm having right now and getting into that. I love it. And I want everyone listening to realize how much you've just iterated this over time, cause I think it would be really easy to go away from this episode going, Oh, I'm going to have a Monday meeting. I'm going to have a Friday meeting. I have other people involved. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. And I just love the way you introduced it based on something you'd done a bit before and you changed it over time and now you're layering in some more stuff that you're also finding useful and you're supporting other people. And I think that's such a good way to embed this practice. So yeah, thank you for sharing that element as well.
Marie: Oh, my pleasure. It's been great. Thank you.
Vikki: Amazing. Thank you so much, Marie. I really appreciate you coming on and sharing this with everybody. Thank you everyone so much for listening. Do let us know what you think and I will see you next week.